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bringing her first child into the world on tuesday when sophia marie was born. there's the beaming mother with her husband dino and sophia marie tuesday afternoon. okay, joy, get your good evening from new york. i am ari melber in for chris hayes. it's been one of the most significant days for new jersey governor chris christie since the start of the bridge-gate scandal. today a law firm that the governor's office hired released claims that exonerates christie and puts the blame for the bridge lane closures mostly on a former staffer and former port authority appointee. numerous questions unanswered.
we'll explore those in a moment. today's self-exoneration comes on what is effectively the start date for the 2016 republican presidential primary. we'll explore the high stakes political offenses shortly. for the first time since his marathon press conference following the set of bridge-gate revelations, chris christie faced a member of the national press. imagine that. on abc "world news" tonight to proclaim his innocence. >> this report says that i had no knowledge of it before it happened. nor did i authorize it. or have anything to do with it. that's the truth. sometimes people do inexplicably stupid things. >> do you really believe they didn't do it because they thought that's what would please you? if you didn't know about it, that they were going to try to please you? >> i can't get into what their motivations were except to say
that anybody who really knows me would not believe that doing something inexplicably stupid would please me. >> that new report got into the motivations and we'll get on that in a minute. chris christie's big pr push here began yesterday after reports that his own internal investigation which was estimate to cost $1 million exonerated him in this scandal. even though the governor acknowledged on his monthly ask the governor radio interview, investigators never spoke to any of the key players in this scandal. >> bridget kelly, bill stepien, bill baroni, david wildstein. dawn zimmer, mayor sokolich all refused to be interviewed. >> those are some pretty key figures in this, that if they weren't interviewed, how do you come to that conclusion? >> well, because you don't just come to conclusions from interviews. there's lots and lots of documents that involve all those
people which have been part of the public record and will be becoming part of the public record as we go forward. some of those folks, at least three of them, have asserted their constitutional right not to speak. if they continue to do that, no one will ever speak to them. >> so there may be questions surrounding this, would you concede, that we may simply never the answers to? >> right. i don't think any of the important questions. i think all the important questions will be answered. >> today christie's lawyer, randy mastro released the full 360-page report to the press. we have it. it is lengthy. despite governor christie's
prediction, it doesn't address some of the most important questions at all. why, exactly, former members of christie's administration ordered these access lanes from ft. lee, new jersey, on to the george washington bridge, to be closed for what became a four-day stop causing traffic jams and delayed school buses and emergency responders under the guise of a new fictitious traffic study? what the report did do was exactly what skeptics have long predicted. tried to provide cover for the embattled governor as he tries to move past these scandals. >> we found that governor christie had no knowledge beforehand of this george washington bridge realignment idea. our findings today are a vindication of governor christie and what he said all along that he had no knowledge of this lane realignment beforehand and no involvement in the decision. there is not a shred, not a shred of hard evidence that the governor did anything other than he has publicly said. >> that was from this morning's press conference, and despite those strong denials, the report has interesting stuff in it. it acknowledges the port authority official who oversaw the lane closings, david wildstein, says he told christie
about the closures while they were going on at the time. that is something christie has denied knowing about. he says when they were happening, he didn't know. today governor christie said he didn't recall that very conversation, and if it did happen, well, wildstein definitely did not spell out sufficiently the, excuse me, the specifics of what was going on. the report cast wildstein and bridget anne kelly, christie's former deputy chief of staff and author of that infamous e-mail, "time for some traffic problems in ft. lee," as most responsible for the lane closures suggesting they were seeking to punish ft. lee mayor mark sokolich though not necessarily because he wouldn't endorse christie for re-election as has been publicly suggested. the report goes so far as to suggest that kelly's actions may have been related to her having been jilted by former christie campaign manager bill stepien. a lawyer for stepien told the "washington post" today the two had briefly dated but the, "gratuitous presence of the relationship in this christie report was only done for the purpose of creating alternative headlines." more than half the report is also dedicated to debunking the claims by hoboken mayor dawn zimmer who has said the christie administration threatened to
withhold hurricane sandy funding if she didn't back a really key redevelopment project. the report called her claims, "demonstrably false and said they do not match objective reality." in a new statement, zimmer called the report a "one-sided whitewash of serious misconduct by the christie administration." new jersey lawmakers investigating christie vowed that a report from lawyers hired by and paid by the christie administration, itself, to investigate the governor's office who then say the governor and most of his office did nothing wrong will not be the final word on this matter. joining us now is reporter and msnbc host, steve kornacki, reporting is cited repeatedly in governor christie's internal investigation report. and georgetown law professor paul butler who served as a federal prosecutor focusing on public corruption cases among others. welcome to you, both. steve, let's start with you. i walked through some of the details, not all, in something this lengthy. what is your takeaway? what have we learned about
governor christie's response by this report from his lawyers? >> what strikes me about it is how heavy handed it is. they clearly wanted to present this and dress this up as like the authoritative final word on this subject. hey, he's been exonerated, nothing else to see here. he can go out to vegas, tell everybody there, hey, the last 11 weeks didn't happen. i expected this would be artfully written. everybody expected this conclusion was coming. they don't just lay out the facts that they have, the facts they want you to see and let you get to the conclusion. they use loaded language. they beat you over the head. they characterize people's motives in here. people they haven't even interviewed. they just give christie credit for it, at one point, when they acknowledge that wildstein alleges that he had a conversation with christie on 9/11 having to do with this. they acknowledge that and quickly put a dash in and say, but even if that conversation took place, christie wouldn't have remembered it because
they're -- >> let's pause on that very point, steve. you mentioned it's no doubt significant that that point about what he was told and to the point you're making about this report, what's weird about it is before they even get through the factual assessment, they start debunking it. he was asked about this, governor christie, in an interview with diane sawyer that i mentioned. let's take a listen to that. >> david wildstein has said at a 9/11 event, he talked to you about traffic. it's a little ambiguous exactly what. >> i don't have any recollection of that, diane. david was one of hundreds of people i spoke to that day. we stood around and spoke briefly that day. i don't have recollection of him saying anything. i'll tell you this. i'll tell you what he didn't say. he didn't say hey, by the way, governor, i'm closing down lanes on the george washington bridge to stick it to the mayor. is that okay? that i'd remember. >> paul, unpack that for us from a prosecutorial perspective. this is one of those times where the governor is setting himself
up to defend by saying, even if i heard something, i didn't hear a thing that was bad enough i should have cared about at the time. >> yeah. so one thing that a prosecutor looks for is a motive. who would want to close this bridge to get back at somebody? so a prosecutor thinks, that sounds like a bully. who's the bully in this neighborhood? then folks started looking at governor christie. again, why would other people like wildstein or bridget kelly done this on their own? they won't have gone off and done this unless they had a reason. kelly is a loyal lieutenant to the governor. come on. >> you're saying, yeah, what else would the reason be? obviously, steve, the governor there in that interview isn't providing an alternative theory there. bridget anne kelly, what is a pretty concerning allegation that the report doesn't even claim to have a reason to offer, which there was some sort of romantic relationship there. what light can you shed on that? >> what they're doing is putting
public for the first time what's been sort of on the grapevine in scranton, new jersey, political world, excuse me, for a while now. nobody has aired this because this is something nobody can put a date on, hey, yes, this is the nature of the relationship, it started here, ended here, and all of that. and it's particularly strange to me because they acknowledge they didn't interview bridget kelly or bill stepien but they're going to air they have some kind of relationship, going to characterize it as a relationship that stepien ended and, perhaps, motivated kelly in some way. i was, you know, really surprised to see that in there. they suggest all sorts of motives. they talk about her emotional state. they also talk about a sick family member. you know, at the time of the -- at the time this was all playing out. they also note, what's interesting is, that she called apparently one of the top members of christie's campaign on august 12th. this is the night before the "time for some traffic in ft. lee" e-mail went out. that she called matt mowers' campaign, to make sure she was correct sokolich had not and would not be endorsing.
that timing is interesting. they don't say that's what they think explains it all. >> yeah. i want to be clear and fair. let me play chris christie's lawyer, randy mastro, trying to explain today why they included that romantic relationship. take a listen, paul. >> the relevance would be that it might explain, particularly not speaking, a lack of communication between the two of them during a critical period when this lane reassignment decision was made. >> now, paul, there are times in a legal context, particularly in a case, where you might try to impeach someone in cross-examination. you might try to raise things about them that might make them less credible. in your view, legally, is this normal and is this appropriate here when the answer that the christie lawyer is providing is simply this explains some sort of lack of communication, the romance? >> well, it's not ethical unless they can make it relevant to the case. and at this point, i don't see how what's relevant. it is normal, though, in the
sense when there's a male in a public corruption case, if you can bring in some woman to say it's her fault, if you can blame her. and the report uses incredibly charged language about not just bridget kelly but also mayor zimmerman. it says she's out of touch with reality. >> zimmer. yeah. >> vindicate a woman, they have things going on with their personal lives, maybe they couldn't focus. these are old-fashioned sexist cold wars that are trying to dirty up people who might be star witnesses in a prosecution against governor. >> right. and as you say, star witnesses who could be very important later. pivotal, even, steve. zimmer, of course, we should mention, as i said in the intro, is cited repeatedly here including your reporting because your show broke the story of her allegations. your thoughts on the way she was depicted here? and whether it gives you any pause about her as a credible accuser? >> no, i say, we call this a report, and they certainly want to set this up like this is some independent objective report. i really think the best way for people to view this is this is the christie defense.
this is, you know, if the u.s. attorney asks any questions, these are the answers you're going to get. if the public has any questions, here are all your answers. they did not speak to dawn zimmer. they didn't get documents they asked for from dawn zimmer. didn't talk to anybody around dawn zimmer they wanted to talk to. you know who did talk to dawn zimmer? the u.s. attorney. you know who talked to people around her? the u.s. attorney. who got those documents? the u.s. attorney. repeat that with sokolich. didn't talk to them, will talk to the u.s. attorney. repeat that with all the main players in the case. wildstein is openly asking for a deal with the u.s. attorney. that's where the ball game really is. the important thing to keep in mind. this is the christie defense. it may or may not be credible. >> at times it looks like it's masquerading as an independent inquiry. i want to put up a picture of dawn zimmer that appears in the report that gives people a
flavor. they have her yawning then they basically write someone who was threatened, a person does not normally yawn when threatened, coerced or spoken to improperly. that in the law what we would often call conjecture. because they found a photo of her yawning, she couldn't have been threatened during that interaction. i thought that was so weird, it made them look not credible. there are, as well, some very interesting pieces of evidence in here. a lot to unpack. steve kornacki, catch more of your reporting on this on "up" weekends at 8:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc and paul butler from georgetown university law center, thank you for your time. long awaited release of governor chris christie's internal separation is not the only big development in. christie land today. he did his first major news interview since the now famous press conference about the political payback on the george washington bridge. in a town hall earlier this week, he was reflective about what this says about his entire political career. >> when you become governor, you realize how your life really changes. i never go in the front door anymore.
it's really depressing. i went to go to get my annual physical two weeks ago, and i met -- my doctor met me at the garbage dumpster behind her building. like, is this really it? we meet by the garbage dumpster? >> yes. the requirements of power can be depressing, but apparently that's not stopping the governor from heading to a key stop on the gop's preprimary for presidential aspirations. forget iowa. it's all about vegas. that story is next. plus, personal news about why my colleague, chris hayes, is out tonight. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪
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one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. we continue with the big week for governor chris christie. his lawyers attempted to re-brand bridge-gate with their own internal report today and the governor amplified on that effort with the first big tv interview since the allegations of political dirty tricks rocked his administration. >> what about iowa? >> oh, i think they love me in iowa, too, diane. i've been there a lot. i think they love me there, too. >> has this torpedoed your 2016 run? >> no. >> your 2016 chances? >> no, listen, i haven't made a decision about 2016, and i don't intend to make a decision on 2016 until a year from now. it won't have anything to do with what's happened the past ten weeks. >> they love him. he can't help it. that's not all. christie is gearing up for the first big primary of the 2016 race. here's what he said on abc
"world news" about that. not in the snowy plains of iowa or a famous town hall in new hampshire. no. this year the first big primary is in the mecca of family values and fiscal responsibility, las vegas. specifically this is true, it's at the venetian, a mega casino that cost over $1 billion to build with 4,000 rooms, its own bridge and waterway system, gondola rides and, of course, its own wedding chapel. why? because it's one of the crown jewels of sheldon adelson whose $38 billion fortune makes him one of the richest people in the world according to "forbes" and he's become a very important man in gop politics. you may remember he backed newt gingrich last time then eventually came around to mitt romney, ultimately plowing over $90 million into the 2012 race. today, he's posting top republicans at the spring meeting of something called the republican jewish coalition. he'll host christie, jeb bush, governor john kasich, and governor scott walker.
the financial backing could jump-start christie's political fortunes, to say the least. no matter who adelson decides to support this time around, there's little doubt in the age of unlimited superpac money and spending, nevada is fast becoming the new iowa. joining us now, margie omero at purple strategies, a democratic political consulting firm. and robert costa, national political reporter for the "washington post" and a specialist on all things republican right now. welcome to you both. let me start with you, robert. tell us about this meeting, what's going on in las vegas and why it seems to important to so many top republican potential presidential aspirants? >> it's happening at the venetian. you had some golf today, donors, adelson, a lot of his friends when to the golf course. there's been scotch tastings. jeb bush is speaking at a private closed door, no press dinner tonight at adelson's airport hangar. the one-on-one with the four potential contenders that have come to this cattle call. >> yeah. you mentioned the scotch and the
golf. i got to tell you, that is key. and i wouldn't wish against them having their scotch and golf on the road. margie, i guess one of the questions here, though, what does this say to us about our democracy beyond things donors want to do for fun and for bonding, right? we took a look at what adelson's money actually means for him given the scale of his fortune, about $38 billion compared, you know, if you compare that to a lot of other people. for him, the $90 million he spent last time is less than 1% of his total net worth. for the median adult household, that would be like spending 88 bucks. so if he and other billionaires want to get into this, they can have a huge impact without having it take any real bite out of their wealth. >> well, sure. sure, there's a huge amount of impact the amount of money in raw dollars that folks like adelson have spent and can
continue to spend. ultimately the people decide who becomes president. and if adelson was in charge and his money was the only thing that mattered, then we'd have president gingrich or president romney. the truth is, all republican candidates need to focus not on the constituent of one of what's going on in las vegas, but of the entire country. the majority of americans who disagree with republican positions on a whole host of issues. they're worried about breaking bread with sheldon adelson when they're not worried about millions of people around the country are getting kicked off food stamps because of republican policies. it's a real sign of how disconnected the party continues to be from the people who make the decisions about who becomes president. >> well, you know, that may be true. i think i'm definitely sympathetic to that concern. and yet, robert, when you look at the sheer politics of this, it's not like these republican aspirants are hiding it. specifically with chris christie, who as we said, had a big, big news day today.
it seems like it's important to him to be out on the circuit not only seeking money, which, of course, can help him, but seeking the prestige associated with being a first-tier candidate hobnobbing and doing the things we expect of first-tier candidates to show in a way, tell me if you agree, that he's over bridge-gate and he's moving on? >> that's right. i think a year ago when i was going into trenton to cover governor christie, you saw a person, a politician, who was the establishment favorite. he was looking ahead to 2016. his entire team. they thought they were going to be the candidacy that could win the establishment. bridge-gate has rocked that and enabled jeb bush to re-enter the conversation. jeb is not doing anything in the early primary states. that doesn't matter at this early stage. jeb is getting the attention of the donors who used to swoon for chris christie. that's the battle tonight. it's a battle in prepositioning, a preprimary battle to try to win over some of these big-dollar donors. who are they really going to end
up with as the 2016 primary approaches? >> margie, what do you think about that and other names we have out there like jeb bush and walker? >> here's the thing that all these candidates -- jeb bush is maybe different from some of the others. the problem is, it isn't about appealing to folks like adelson. it's about moving the far right wing of the party that is so much farther to the right than the majority of the electorate. and being able to heal those two groups and bring them together. and the more we hear about the fighting between the republican establishment and the far right wing, the more we understand, the more we're reminded of how far to the right the republican party is from voters overall. chris christie maybe had had some advantages in that regard, but right now a majority of iowa voters and half of republican voters in iowa say they disapprove of how he handled bridge-gate and -- >> robert, briefly? >> really look back at adelson.
look at this event tonight. who's attending. scott walker, john kasich, county county. he's are center right politicians. adelson, margie, learned lessons perhaps from 2012. he learned if you back someone like gingrich or a tea party favorite, it's not going to pay off if you're spending $90 billion. look at adelson, who he's inviting, who's not there. ted cruz isn't there, rand paul isn't there. >> i think that's interesting. i think it goes to the attention here that's complex, which is on the one hand too much money in politics dilutes other people's voices. on the other hand, chamber of commerce business interests in the gop are to the left of the extreme part of the tea party for what it's worth. >> are they going to get out of their primaries? are they going to win in south carolina? you know, it doesn't look good right now. chris christie, some of these folks are going to -- i mean, do you think chris christie can win in south carolina? >> we're out of time. lucky for us, we have more time to do 2016 in future evenings. democratic pollster margie omero and robert costa. americans for prosperity,
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jennifer, the first question is, why should anyone care about this extension of the deadline? >> i think people should care about the deadline for the same reason that i wake up and millions of women, actually 85 million across -- 85 million across country wake up and think about their children as well. that's how many mothers we have.
we really are having choices removed from us as mothers and the health care we can provide our children. >> why? >> why? because the president lied to us. >> why does extending a deadline for two weeks take away the choices you have for your children? explain that to me. >> because it continues to not allow people to go back and change this law. >> as the kids say, that happened. and as loyal "all in" viewers know, chris interviewed jennifer stefano of a conservative group. the discussion was, as they say on the campaign trail, it was passionate. if you really want to see it, you can go and look at the whole
we would like to update you on some credible information we have received from the 8 tsb, which will refocus the search area. the search for any sign of the missing malaysian airline has been shifted to an area north following advice from the australian transport safety bureau. an international aircraft investigation team in malaysia provided updated information which has examined the information and determine the area sullivan hundred commuters to the northeast of the existing search area is now the most credible lead as to where the debris may be located. the new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometers and about
1850 kilometers west of perth. the australian guillaume spatial intelligence organization is recasting satellites to capture images of the new area. weather conditions are better, ten aircraft have been tasked for today's search. they are, two will extra aircraft's, a japanese coast guard gulfstream 5 jet. a japanese tea-30 rent. a hercules aircraft, and royal new zealand air force o'brien. a chinese people liberation airforce. a united states navy poseidon aircraft and one postilions' civil jet acting as a communications relay. four of the ten aircraft are in
the search area as we speak. the further it six planes to fly over the area today. leo ryan has been placed on standby the royal australian air force base to investigate any reported sightings. five chinese ships. success is expected in tomorrow night. the maritime safety ship is in the search area. i might add that we know quite well as cheap sydney and cans last year in order to support a regional marathon safety conference. we had the opportunity to do the search and rescue exercise with that ship. the united states had a locator
and a blue fin 21 autonomous underwater vehicle arriving in perth to assist with location and recovery of the black box. these will be fitted to the australian defence the vessel which will ride in the coming days. the depth of the water in the search area is between 2,000 meters and 4,000 meters. >> thank you, mr. young. as australia's investigation agency, working with a range of experts organizations to analyze available data related to the flight. to determine the best area to search for the missing aircraft. the key pieces of information being analyzed relate to early positional information from the
aircraft and its leader pulling of the satellite through its aircraft systems. the new information is based on analysis of radar data about the aircraft movement between the south china sea and the strait of malacca before radar contact was lost. these continuing analysis indicates it was traveling faster than was previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance it traveled south into the indian ocean. the international investigative team supporting the search continues their analysis of the data. this could result in further refinement of the potential flight path of the flight. the polling data has been combined with the likely performance of the aircraft, speed and fuel consumption in particular, to arrive at the best assessment in which the aircraft has entered the water.
the information provided by the investigative team is the most credible lead we currently have in the search for aircraft wreckage. however, this information needs to be continually adjusted for the length of time elapsed since the aircraft went missing and the likely drift of any wreckage on the ocean's surface. finally, let me stress that under international convention, malaysia has investigated responsibility for the flight. at this stage, our main task is to assist in the search for the aircraft. thank you. we will not take questions. >> the crash point? >> this is our best estimate of the area in which the aircraft is likely to have crashed into the ocean, guess. >> have you considered taking into the account the drift of
the current? >> in determining the search area, and mr. young will comment further, we have taken account of drift information as well as a likely entry point into the water. mr. young, do you want to add? >> that is what we have been doing with all the research as we have done so far. this is day 21 of the search for the aircraft, so we have, using our own in-house systems as low as expert advice from the united states coastguard and commercial companies drifted the area for 21 days of movement, taking into account the actual whether and the known occurrence for the area. >> how many of the different fields seen by satellite -- >> sorry. >> how much faster was the plane going according to the new analysis, and how do you know it continued to go at that faster speed after radar lost contact?
>> this will remain a somewhat inexact science. i don't know the exact figures of the estimated speed, but this was an estimate between the south china sea in the strait of malacca. a range of assessments have been made about likely speed thereafter. >> no human control of the plane beyond a certain point? >> the aircraft was traveling at a constant or close to constant speed. the reason we know the aircraft continued to trouble is that we are bringing together, we and the international investor activity income are bringing in two sets of data, the data from the satellite that can give the arc within that specified times at which the aircraft was and aircraft about the performance, likely performance of the aircraft and matching those two sets of data to get points where it is likely to have gone and
ended up. >> how many of these debris fields spotted by planes or satellites could have drifted from that area? does this rule out any of the potential debris fields? >> firstly, i will not use the degree field with the satellite imagery. the imagery has seen lots of object out in the ocean that may or may not be objects. what we do is to seek expert advice from the australian guillaume spatial intelligence organization to advise us which of them is incredible and up to search on. we have done some of that lately and have not found any objects. does that answer your question? >> the previous search areas to the southwest, are the active or abandoned? >> we have moved on from those search areas to the newest credible lead based on the
information from the accident and investigations side. that is our best place to go. i would remind you that the analysis as we start with, it has been refined and moved on. it's not a new theory. >> mr. young, you have had a range of aircraft involved in this. hopefully now -- so it can be properly investigated, or could end up scattered around the world? >> the answer to that question actually comes from the international convention that relates to accident investigations, which says that it's the responsibility of in this case, the country of registry of the aircraft.
that country, through their investigator in charge, has to secure the wreckage and make it available for the investigation. any wreckage obtained, we will hold on behalf of the malaysian investigation team and await their instructions. we are in continual discussions with the militias about the progress of the search, and we will continue to discuss the handling of wreckage. >> you would have to hand it over to the austrians, correct? >> in the search, we are operating on behalf of the malaysian government. >> i think the previous analysis indicated that the last peen was at 11:00 a.m. on that particular morning. if the plane was flying faster, burning fuel faster and might have gone down earlier, is that
previous analysis contradicted and that time line contradicted? >> no, the previous analysis had a range of possible assumptions about aircraft speed. those assumptions have now been refined. what is tested is the aircraft speed and likely position against the arcs that come out from a distance from the satellite, the polling data. bringing those together gives you the most credible path for the aircraft. it is being refined over time, but what we have at the moment is the most credible location of the entry into the water and a place to search. >> the area that you have refined is still very remote, but it seems less remote than before. what about your ability to search the area? can you put warplanes over the area? >> we will certainly get better time on seen. we started nearly 3,000 kiloliters from perth. we have taken quite a lot of
that. now we will get -- you might recall we were talking in terms of one two hours on scene. we are now doing much better than that. the other benefit we get from moving further north is that the search area has moved out of the 40s, which creates very adverse weather frequently. i'm not sure we will get perfect weather out there, but it's likely to get better more often than we have seen in the past. we will see what that does in terms of satellite imagery when the recasting of satellite starts to produce new material as well. >> which way would wreckage drift, toward the mainland of australia or further out into the indian ocean? >> i will have to get back to you. i think the drift is toward the east, but i need to look at it and get back.
>> from which country, et cetera. >> the data is for the malaysians. they say that the data is released by the country responsible for the investigation. there is a set of radar data from many sources about most of this -- >> that we can actually read task. how things have passed over this area once a day horton at times a day, and how good with their imagery be? >> it is effectively providing a service for government agencies. we take it as a consumer. they are looking through all of
the satellite imagery, and i'm sure they take it from commercial sources and from government sources. they provide us with the best data that is available. if you want a detailed explanation, you would have to talk to them. >> how much the debris, potential the. spotted supports the current search area given that may have drifted from that area. >> referring to the new area, aircraft have only just arrived on scene today, so we will need to wait to see what emerges. in regards to the old areas, we have not seen any debris. i would not wish to classify any of the satellite imagery to this debris, nor would i want to classify any of the few visual sightings that we have made as debris. that is just not justifiable from what we have seen. >> the search has been it was of
time given that it has focused on the southwest area? >> the search today has been what we had at a time. i might add, that's actually nothing unusual for search and rescue operations after this happens to us all of the time, that new information will emerge out of sequence with the operation itself, and i remember occasions where at least on one vacation we searched for six days for a missing helicopter in the victorian era-mack. it was only on the seventh day that we got a break from someone who had been camping in the area, seen it, phoned information in. 3 have refocused a significant distance and found the aircraft. this is the normal business of search and rescue operations that new information comes to life. i don't count this a waste of time. sorry, you please.
>> the press release said it is subject to refinement. this one on the map, the one after refinement or before that, are you still working on that based on this route? >> the new area is based on the refined data. that is the best information we have on the careful analysis at this point. i'm just warning that it's possible that further analysis may change that again. we come at this stage, don't expect significantly, but there are no guarantees. >> this is the best available information and analysis spinet explain to us in detail about what you have had. various radar with the idea that the aircraft appeared on the radar on a number of locations per what are your refining here? >> we are refining the
relationship between the aircraft performance, not just speed and fuel, but the performance and a range of scenarios. we are looking at the data on this satellite information, the pulling of the satellites. that gives a distance from the satellite to the aircraft to an approximation. bringing those projections performance against the information about distance from satellites at given times of the aircraft, which is an arc. we will derive -- we then look at beyond that, where the search is located. >> if this runs out of fuel, do all the engines stopped at once, does it fly? >> there are a range of scenarios. that is why the search area remains a very large one. this is something we probably should underline.
i'm sure mr. young would have a comment on this as well. this is an attempted search, a very large area. surface debris will give us an indication of where the main aircraft wreckage is likely to be. this has a long way to go yet. >> there were indications that the plane had changed course several times. this was one of the reasons that foul play was suggested. can you explain the current thinking on that. >> the radar data i was talking about was related to that, initial stages where there was some changing of the aircraft. the best assessment from there on in is that the aircraft headed south consistently into the indian ocean. what we now have been doing is working out the most likely flight path based on all the
information available. >> to narrow down the search area, what league do you think is most credible aside from finding debris? this question is for. are we looking at other things? >> the question about search, and i think mr. young should answer first. >> i should start by saying that the two primary methods that we have had so far are these analyses, which are about the movements of the aircraft. that is the best information we can have. anything we have about the movements of the aircraft create the greatest degree of confidence. we have had satellite imagery, satellite imagery has been followed up. it has not produced any
sightings for us, but that may change in the future. we also use sophisticated oceanographic modeling to determine where objects will move. in terms of keeping the search area confined, knowing what happens to the water is very important. recall, please, that this is 21 days after the event was expected to happen. over that 21 days, there will be significant amounts of random this version of objects. the search area steadily gets bigger with time. we have been fortunate with the previous search areas that the water movement was small. it was low, not much movement at all. therefore the search area didn't rapidly get bigger. to answer your question, we will put data marker buoys that
report active movement by satellite to the australian maritime safety authority into that area so that we know with accuracy where the water is moving. that provides us the best way to keep the search area confined rather than simply accept that it's going anywhere in the search area gets bigger. i'm sorry, that's a complicated issue. >> to that, all the information that is currently available to the investigation that is relevant to the likely movements of the aircraft has been -- and analysis of that has been made available through the search. we will continue to do that. we are not at this stage, but we will consult with the international colleagues to see other lines of inquiry as they are likely to add information to what is on the table. >> thank you, everyone. >> thank you very much. >> you have been listening to john young and other officials
in australia with the australian maritime safety authority. basically what we heard was that the search area has shifted. in fact, some 680 miles northeast of the previous search area. right now it's about 1,150 miles west of perth. the depth in that area is around 6500 feet to 13,000 feet. the reason for the shift is because according to analysis, it shows the plane was traveling faster than previously thought. because of that, they use more fuel and reduced the possible distance. that is why we have seen the search area become shifted. i want to quickly go to ian williams in perth, australia. when we look at this new shift in the search area, because it's closer to perth, is that going to make this easier for those out there in those planes trying to make it through the weather
and the distance to look for possible debris? >> well, it's closer to perth, which means it will take less time to get out there. that area is also a little calmer than where they have been searching previously. but it's a huge area. it's still 155,000 square miles, which is vast. in many respects, it's reading between the lines of that press conference what they were saying. we are back to square one. this is the most credible information that we now have, then it means that everything we have seen so far, those satellite images, the sightings apparent from planes, is somewhat less credible than what we thought. the australians in charge of the search say they would look and examine the satellite photographs, followed up those images and have drawn a blank.
they simply haven't found anything. it's inconceivable that the debris could have drafted that far from where they now say that the plane may have crashed to where they have been searching these last few days. the officials there were on the defensive, at one point saying that i would not classify the original work as a waste of time, but certainly nothing has come of it. also saying that this was a process that was evolving the whole time, that even now they may come across fresh information that will involve further refinement or further movement. this is a further expression of just how challenging this work has become. it does not seem that for all the information that was contained in the satellite images, whatever they showed, if we were to accept this is the most credible new lead they have had, that the aircraft did come down 800 miles away, then
whatever was in those satellite photos and seen by the aircraft on those early searches was not related to 370 and probably was not serious degree at all. >> that can be very frustrating. even though things have shifted, planes are in the air, people are looking for possible debris. at this point, has anything been found? >> not yet. they have only been out there for a short time this morning. yesterday they were grounded by the weather for a second time this week. they are trying to get ten aircraft out there today. they will be redirecting the ships. it will take longer to get them out, but this -- what they had done in the south was to focus the search far more tightly based upon satellite information, though that information has become
increasingly contradictory because it can all be debris from the plane. certainly, it's easier to get to the area they are now going to. certainly, it's colmar whether there. it's not the same bad weather record as further south. it is a vast, vast area. they will have to redirect resources, satellites, in order to try to focus this search a bit more effectively. they are calling it a lawn mower approach to searching. they go back and forth across this area, ten aircraft, but it is a vast area. to say in many respects, this is really back to square one. >> how credible is this analysis of the last radar contact with the plane, because that is what has caused this shift in the search zone. >> it is. it is what has caused the shift
in the search. the australian professionals were a little bit cautious as well in their answers. the evidence has come from further analysis of these satellite information. that suggested the aircraft was traveling faster than they originally thought and used more fuel. it came down further to the northeast than they anticipated, but they were asked, does it trouble at a constant speed? also, it had changed direction before. what's to say it didn't again on the way down? they didn't have answers for those questions. all they would say is, well, this could be further refined. >> right. >> it could be changed again in light of further analysis. >> we'll have to keep watching. >> there can be more changes on the ground. >> ian williams joining us live from perth, australia, as we continue to watch as the search has changed.
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